Nottingham Forest - The State We Are In (The View from Afar)




I say afar, more like half way between Barnsley and Sheffield, but far away enough to be removed from water cooler conversations at work and to not be at games. (I know people travel to every game from further away - cry me a river)

I have been silent most of this season (and last). I lost the love for a while. I really did. I just couldn’t be bothered with Forest. And then around Christmas just as I was getting the love back, we changed manager again and I sort just thought, oh well, here we go again. I just felt distant.

But the last few weeks seeing the ridiculous arguments from some fans that seem to have ridiculous expectations or are just fishing for attention (any attention, even people telling them they are twats) I have sort of been dragged in in a need to level the argument somewhat.

There is a lot of soul searching for Forest fans, anyone under the age of 25 won’t have seen us play a Premier League game in the flesh, and even then, it was probably one we lost. A generation devoid of success.

Now they want success. Now this is a point I have banged on about before, an even dating to the days we had a forum attached to this site (RIP Soccer 24-7 - you'd have been 17 years old this year) where I complained that younger fans hungry for success want the club to mortgage its future to win something. We had a kid on the forum then, I forget who, and he basically wanted the club to spend, spend, spend and didn’t care if we did a Portsmouth because at least he'd get to cheer winning something. At the time we all shouted him down and called him a moron. Portsmouth were slumping down the leagues in danger of going out of business for one FA Cup. 

But was he right? Because in those year in between we have gone nowhere. We did splash the cash, and then we stopped. We nearly did jeopardise our future (anyone saying clubs always find a new owner - they don’t) but we survived. So we sort of did a half-way house. 

So when am I going to get to this season? Well here we go. This season will finish with us likely missing the playoffs again. Ok. Not what we wanted or set out for. Is that failure? Well you could say yes, and you definitely point to sacking Karanka (was he sacked? Did he walk? Pushed?) Those actions speak of a club trying to save a season. We spent a lot of money on the likes of CarvalhoGrabban etc. But consider that Carvalho is a valuable asset that we could sell (and if FFP came looming I imagine Olympiacos may well take us off his hands for a surprising sum of cash) We didn't go full on gung ho as we could, but the wage bill won't be light.

With that in mind then surely yes we have failed to achieve success. Sheffield United are far out performing us having spent a fraction with an ex player spearheading their promotion bid. Other clubs who also were more frugal are doing better. But other big spenders are messing up too. It's a bloody hard competitive division. We tried to do a bit of a Wolves with the Portuguese lads, and well Dias was not a success, Domingues... yeah well him neither but Carvalho is a player on his day can win games.

But when you look at the size of other clubs and other budgets we are probably par for the course. Stoke and West Brom came down with premiership budgets. Other clubs are like us, similar size grounds, traditional top flight clubs when 24 teams were up there and petro-dollars didn't dictate business, Norwich, Sheffield Wednesday, even Derby. All clubs whose home in the 80's and early 90's was the top flight. So is that our level? Are we doing ok?

Well yes, it is our level, except we've won the League; we've won in Europe, which makes us that little bit more special. It means nothing NOW< but in the context of history, it means a lot. We did it. You lot, apart from the mega rich, you haven't. 

Karanka bonded with many fans, but there was always an undercurrent of fans that weren't happy. You know the ones, they are NEVER happy. They always want the manager out. They always say we should be better. But Karanka ultimately was always going to end up leaving. If he succeeded he would have used as a stepping stone. If we failed, he’s the next name in a very long line of managers to fail.

Managers who led us to failure. So many names. We've spent 20 years changing manager every 9-10 months. And it has got us nowhere. We are where we were when Platt took over and started this huge spell without top flight football, via a patch in league One I think we all tend to forget ever existed now. In that time we've had splurges. We spent under Platt, we spent big for League One when down there, even under Davies despite his protestations we splurged, and then under Fawaz. And we are exactly where we were. A team in the second tier who once won the European Cup before most fans were born.

That is why we fail. A lack of trust in a manager through the bad times. Don’t get me wrong, not all of them needed trust when it got bad. Megson and Kinnear definitely not. But often we get rid of one guy to bring in another because things haven't instantly worked. 

Norwich last season didn’t pull up any trees. But they stuck with Farke. And now look where they are. Wilder has had a few years at the Blades and has them clicking. Lee Johnson has had a while with his squad at Bristol City. Yes other clubs have chopped and changed and are up there, but it works both ways. We tried the sacking managers route. It didn't work. Platt, Hart, KinnearMegsonCalderwood, Davies, McLarenCotterillO'DriscollMcLeish, Davies again, Pearce,Freedman, WarburtonMontanierKaranka, and now O'Neill. That's not even all the names who took temporary charge too. That kind of turnover creates instability and that's why we are where we are.

Get behind the manager. 



The end.

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